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again, a specialty retailer, sometimes it's really tough and a hard retail environment. but the stock is up 18%. they have had a really good run of it. this one will be a good test of the overall consumer out there. tracy: i'm still thinking about justin bieber singing at a victoria's secret fashion show. he's too young. he needs a haircut. i'm so old, can't i can't even take it. sandra smith, thank you so much. he's like 12. up next, cisco systems moving higher today. reporting their first-quarter results. after the bell, coming up. countdown to the closing bell, liz claman will be speaking with john chambers. countdown to the closing bell is next. do not go anywhere. before copd... i took my son fishing every year. we had a great spot, not ey to find, but worth it. but with copd making it hard to breathe, i thought those days might be over. so my doctor prescribed symbicort. it helps significantly improve my lung funcon starting within five minutes. symbicort doesn't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden symptoms. with symbicort, today i'm breathing better. and that mean
again, a specialty retailer, sometimes it's really tough and a hard retail environment. but the stock is up 18%. they have had a really good run of it. this one will be a good test of the overall consumer out there. tracy: i'm still thinking about justin bieber singing at a victoria's secret fashion show. he's too young. he needs a haircut. i'm so old, can't i can't even take it. sandra smith, thank you so much. he's like 12. up next, cisco systems moving higher today. reporting their...
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very hard to exist in this environment. now that you have four more years of president obama, -- melissa: smaller is better. caesar did you will not get a relaxation of dodd-frank. higher taxes, smaller paychecks. get used to it. lori: there are renewed worries about what is coming around the next quarter. melissa: just how negative is that negative guidance? we have what you need to know. ♪ all eyes, right here. this is our year. i thought it was last year... turns out i was wrong. none of us would walk in here and settle. that's how we are! i forgot what i was goi to say. patrick, i want 100% commitment! because i care man, ok? who are we!? 49ers! 49ers! 49ers! yeah! [ all cheering ] what the heck is going on in here? sorry coach, i just got a little carried away. alright, i think we're good. [ morgan ] for a chance to be in a locker room on game day and more... join visa nfl fan offers and make your season epic. [ engine revs ] ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] the mercedes-benz winter event is back, no matter which list you'
very hard to exist in this environment. now that you have four more years of president obama, -- melissa: smaller is better. caesar did you will not get a relaxation of dodd-frank. higher taxes, smaller paychecks. get used to it. lori: there are renewed worries about what is coming around the next quarter. melissa: just how negative is that negative guidance? we have what you need to know. ♪ all eyes, right here. this is our year. i thought it was last year... turns out i was wrong. none of...
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it adds to the whole environment of intense uncertainty. you are asking people to make investors of their money or shareholders money at a time when nobody knows what the fiscal system will provide. connell: we talk to people on all sides of this debate. the conservative side represented by monica crowley. talking about the conversation changing from all of this from revenue to something about spending. from the business community's point of view, or you concerned? >> both are important. we need to address the fiscal cliff issue now. not december 301 or january 1. you'll get a lot of negative ahead of that. extend the tax treatment. extend the tax revisions. new found out for a period of time that will allow a real discussion about reform. connell: do you have to have a template in place or is it all right to just extend the current environment? >> i think what has been discussed is to come to some very broad agreement with goals for the relevant committees on the hill. that is good. that gives people a sense of where we are going. business
it adds to the whole environment of intense uncertainty. you are asking people to make investors of their money or shareholders money at a time when nobody knows what the fiscal system will provide. connell: we talk to people on all sides of this debate. the conservative side represented by monica crowley. talking about the conversation changing from all of this from revenue to something about spending. from the business community's point of view, or you concerned? >> both are important....
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it's going to take risk, and right now, we live in a risk-averse environment and a government environment that can take risks. in many ways they are afraid they will get criticized in the press or media. neil: they said businesses to risks and we ended up bailing them out, so we are averse to risk and that the map because every time they do this, we pay for it. >> and health and medicine, we're going to have to take risks and figure out how to create new drugs and create new innovation. neil: synonymous with simona mr. conaway what you're talking about? >> there's there is a difference between the weather and climate. it's raining today, it's not raining tomorrow. the climate is the key. are there problems in health and medicine? you bet. we need to figure out how to do multidisciplinary research on -ow not to export testing in all kinds of things abroad. but you know something, we have more young people, more scientists, more people that want to come to america to innovate and people that want to leave america. neil: we have fewer than ever going into a general practice nobody really wan
it's going to take risk, and right now, we live in a risk-averse environment and a government environment that can take risks. in many ways they are afraid they will get criticized in the press or media. neil: they said businesses to risks and we ended up bailing them out, so we are averse to risk and that the map because every time they do this, we pay for it. >> and health and medicine, we're going to have to take risks and figure out how to create new drugs and create new innovation....
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and you'll see lyric can also give you exceptially clear, natural sound in quiet and noisy environments because of how it works with your ear's own anatomy. (testimonial section) (testimonial section) (testimonial section) did you know, 94% of people who use lyric would recommend lyric to a friend or loved one. can your hearingid do all this? lyric can. to learn more about lyric's advanced technology, call or visit trylyric.com for a risk--free 30--day trial offer. you'll alsget a free informational dvd and brochure. why wait? hear today what a little lyric cacan do for you. lyric from phonak. life is on. >> i am not optimistic about president obama's next four years. i think it will be very choppy. i'm very very concerned as you know to the fiscal cliff. to the extent we're buying, large megacaps, it is in the industries the world has to have as opposed to wants to have. charles: that was keith fitzgerald on our last hour clearly treading very lightly when it comes to the markets. we are following them for you. we begin at 9:20 eastern here on varney & company. let's take a look at the
and you'll see lyric can also give you exceptially clear, natural sound in quiet and noisy environments because of how it works with your ear's own anatomy. (testimonial section) (testimonial section) (testimonial section) did you know, 94% of people who use lyric would recommend lyric to a friend or loved one. can your hearingid do all this? lyric can. to learn more about lyric's advanced technology, call or visit trylyric.com for a risk--free 30--day trial offer. you'll alsget a free...
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he could create a toxic work environment. now he is gone. he put up obstaales trying to integrate microsoft eight. xbox and windows. this is a man who has saved microsoft in the past. they brought him in. he was head of windows. it was after the disaster of windows vista. he was not playing nice in the sandbox. here is a quote we got from steve ballmer "it is imperative that we continue to drive a lineman across all microsoft aims and have more integrated and rapid development cycles for our offspring." investors do not like the departure, but will the microsoft company be able to recover. back to you. connell: that is very good, adam. i guess we will cross them off as our future ceos of microsoft. dagen: new york residents are fed up with the utility companies quick response. they are taking action themselves. connell: another day, another title for apple. that tech giant is even meeting tiffany in the ranks. dagen: timothy burns -- ken burns will be here. and how the history of sex this year's election people worried about the -- not even
he could create a toxic work environment. now he is gone. he put up obstaales trying to integrate microsoft eight. xbox and windows. this is a man who has saved microsoft in the past. they brought him in. he was head of windows. it was after the disaster of windows vista. he was not playing nice in the sandbox. here is a quote we got from steve ballmer "it is imperative that we continue to drive a lineman across all microsoft aims and have more integrated and rapid development cycles for...
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thing, guys, dollar tree is a stock that's come county a lot lately, and you think in the economic environment it would not, but the problem, january 200816 bucks, and january 2012, 41 bucks. i would not pile into it, but i like the risk-reward here. it's a relatively safe place, but the economic backdrop continues to serve them well. they opened a 111 stores in the last quarter alope. cheryl: competition in feasm dollar as well, other retailers. >> family dollar, dollar general, performing better. i have the comparable -- all trading at 14, pe, same book value, everything of the this is the one that's probably oversold, perhaps -- i will tell you this to your point, 35 # as a stop, has room to go to 44, and from there we'll reassess it. dennis: 39 today and up 3% today. all right. cheryl: making money with charles. dennis: tough twinkie talk threatening to liquidate unless the strikers return to be tonig. cheryl: how the currencies fare against the dollar. interesting times now in europe. as you can see, the year -- euro a little bit weaker against the dollar. we'll be right back. cheryl: ceo
thing, guys, dollar tree is a stock that's come county a lot lately, and you think in the economic environment it would not, but the problem, january 200816 bucks, and january 2012, 41 bucks. i would not pile into it, but i like the risk-reward here. it's a relatively safe place, but the economic backdrop continues to serve them well. they opened a 111 stores in the last quarter alope. cheryl: competition in feasm dollar as well, other retailers. >> family dollar, dollar general,...
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. >> this is a tough environment, our business customers are lookinr guidance, we're advising rlly clients across u.s. to take a look at their plan, and health savings accounts and tighten the belts in oth areas. neil:ow do you absorb, walmart refutes the figures. bottom line they were going up for workers. this is a trend, i would imagine it speeds up. >> supposedly national trend is 8 to 9% rise in health prem young cost, it be be a shared cost, a cost thatusiness absorbs or a cost down to the worker. neil: in walmart saying, we pay the 4.5%, they pay 4.5%, bottom line it is aot. >> at the end of the day, this is what u.s. citizens elected. neil: unstoppable? >> health insurance premiums will continue to rise, business owners must look at other ws to cut their costsonless they s. gary: unless they don't, they have no choice, they offer health care coverage, or if they don't they pay penalty, just suck up the penalty, and deal with it. >> or they can reduce workforce, and go to health savings ac count. neil: that is what darden tried, a little bit more you know, agility for that. but not
. >> this is a tough environment, our business customers are lookinr guidance, we're advising rlly clients across u.s. to take a look at their plan, and health savings accounts and tighten the belts in oth areas. neil:ow do you absorb, walmart refutes the figures. bottom line they were going up for workers. this is a trend, i would imagine it speeds up. >> supposedly national trend is 8 to 9% rise in health prem young cost, it be be a shared cost, a cost thatusiness absorbs or a...
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and you'll see lyric can also give you exceptionally clear, natural sound in quiet and noisy environments because of how it works with your ear's own anatomy. (testimonial section) (testimonial section) (testimonial section) did you know, 94% of people who use lyric would commend lyric to a friend or loved one. can your hring aid do all this? lyric can. to learn more out lyric's advanced technology, call or visit trylyric.com for a risk--free 30--day trial offer. you'll also get a free informational dvd and brochure. why wait? hear today what a little lyric cacan do for you. lyric from phonak. life is on. stuart: industrial production down 0.4% mainly because of fannie. the dow is down 14 points. that is a response of industrial production numbers. the price of oil holding steady. trouble in gaza keep soil around $86 a barrel. we want to bring you some of yesterday's "varney and company" fire. mitt romney told his donors he couldn't compete with, quote, gifts president obama was offering. that did not sit well with charles. listen to this. stuart: charles: mitt romney had to explain and y
and you'll see lyric can also give you exceptionally clear, natural sound in quiet and noisy environments because of how it works with your ear's own anatomy. (testimonial section) (testimonial section) (testimonial section) did you know, 94% of people who use lyric would commend lyric to a friend or loved one. can your hring aid do all this? lyric can. to learn more out lyric's advanced technology, call or visit trylyric.com for a risk--free 30--day trial offer. you'll also get a free...
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how quickly do you see small-business environment? are they somewhat encouraged? >> we take the business in a different way, felt restricted to be in a brick and mortar situation and now they realize they can take the business mobile and serve customers in a different way than they served in the past. tracy: you can sell your product at the next house party. you are great. thank you. it is on the web site and available december 3rd. up next, liz claman is at the cme global leadership conference, cheryl casone in studio. liz claman will be talking exclusively to the biggest names including the virgin group shall under -- founder and chairman richard branson. he starts billion dollar businesses no matter what uncertainty is going on in the world and cme executive chairman terry duffy blasting the government for hurting his ability to run his business. count down to the closing bell. cheryl casone is here in studio. that is all next. [ male announcer ] this is steve. he loves risk. but whether he's climbing everest, scuba diving the great barrier reef with sharks, or
how quickly do you see small-business environment? are they somewhat encouraged? >> we take the business in a different way, felt restricted to be in a brick and mortar situation and now they realize they can take the business mobile and serve customers in a different way than they served in the past. tracy: you can sell your product at the next house party. you are great. thank you. it is on the web site and available december 3rd. up next, liz claman is at the cme global leadership...
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>> neil, you've got to cover the downside of this environment. they want them unprotected against losses. they're anticipating antibusiness climate, anticipating uncertainty pickling business contractions and so we're covering the downside making sure we're in a position where we can make money when the market is going up to be productive if the market is going down and lock it in on the way up. neil: what do you play besides lead futures and protecting us from nuclear fallout? >> there are three ways to have your money completely protected against loss, fb fdic insurance. they're gravitating towards the guaranteed contract because the principle is guarantee against losses and make it the spitting and that is the important thing to do. neil: thank you very, very much. you know, when we look at this whole health care law, some a deadline set, click next year when you have to start getting everyone into the system and pay the search tax the rich will have to pay in order to continue sustaining it, there's a deadline coming on friday that almost no
>> neil, you've got to cover the downside of this environment. they want them unprotected against losses. they're anticipating antibusiness climate, anticipating uncertainty pickling business contractions and so we're covering the downside making sure we're in a position where we can make money when the market is going up to be productive if the market is going down and lock it in on the way up. neil: what do you play besides lead futures and protecting us from nuclear fallout? >>...
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they create a environment which we can make or not make money. it is tough for investors. there will be volatile days. the trick for investors to have enough liquidity in their portfolio that they don't have to trade on these volatile down days. they're ready to take some opportunities when, when they find some good earnings. tracy: like what? let's say this market falls further. you go in. you start buying. what are you buying? >> i think we're, we're buying companies with a following characterics. we're buying companies that have strong brands. that have technology that is hard to replicate and have access to growing markets. the tough part of being an investor, you find companies like that in a lot of sectors and find them with headquarters in a lot of different countries. you want to look for the characterics of companies, not the kind of thing --. tracy: like what? hospitals for instance? >> i can't name. i'm not here to name names. we know that hospitals are are run very efficiently will ben at this time from obamacare. that is, they're well-positioned for that. we k
they create a environment which we can make or not make money. it is tough for investors. there will be volatile days. the trick for investors to have enough liquidity in their portfolio that they don't have to trade on these volatile down days. they're ready to take some opportunities when, when they find some good earnings. tracy: like what? let's say this market falls further. you go in. you start buying. what are you buying? >> i think we're, we're buying companies with a following...
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stuart: environment is the best excuse of all. judge napolitano: they will say excelling is harmful to the environment. see how they correct that. stuart: they will never go far. [talking over each other] judge napolitano: do they care about the constitution? stuart: you are our constitutional scholar and you keep bringing us examples whether the constitution is violated, nothing happens. judge napolitano: they continue to get away with it. i hope the first person find because the police just a fence without a search warrant in the backyard or the first person who is fine because they splashed water from a flower on the sidewalk challenges the constitutionality. stuart: you are missing the point. the first person to be fined because the cow jumped over in the search for dog food has to hire a lawyer. that costs money. $10,000 to represent you. judge napolitano: it might be cheaper to pay. stuart: of course. judge napolitano: some people believe these things ought to be challenged and i hope one of the people they implicate in this
stuart: environment is the best excuse of all. judge napolitano: they will say excelling is harmful to the environment. see how they correct that. stuart: they will never go far. [talking over each other] judge napolitano: do they care about the constitution? stuart: you are our constitutional scholar and you keep bringing us examples whether the constitution is violated, nothing happens. judge napolitano: they continue to get away with it. i hope the first person find because the police just a...
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fixed the low rate environment. tolerate the volatility of the stock market. gerri: it's interesting to hear people talk about the money. mean that by them what they expect. a lot of discussion, entire books written on the magic number. what do you tell your clients? what does was hard to tell its clients about determining their own perfect number for retirement? >> it's an individual thing, just like health care. it depends on how healthy you are, what age you want to retire, how much you save, how much to think you're going to need or have. a very individualized written a personal plan. talk about how much of want husband and retirement. that's where you deride how much should be saving of what my number needs to be. it is not a one-size-fits-all. gerri: u.s. one interesting question in this survey. i have to hear the answer. would you be willing to take a reduction in social security and/or medicare benefits to help the country move forward? >> about half of them said no. [laughter] >> i'm not interested. not interested. gerri: everybody i hear from say, i
fixed the low rate environment. tolerate the volatility of the stock market. gerri: it's interesting to hear people talk about the money. mean that by them what they expect. a lot of discussion, entire books written on the magic number. what do you tell your clients? what does was hard to tell its clients about determining their own perfect number for retirement? >> it's an individual thing, just like health care. it depends on how healthy you are, what age you want to retire, how much...
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you know, and what it did to the surrounding environment. there it is right there. they point to this and say, this is why you can't go drill offshore. what do you say to that? >> well, it's, of course the bp, deepwater horizon accident was a horrible tragedy in human and environmental terms but huge gains have been put in place since the disaster both at the federal level with regulators as well as with the industry. so really the technology, safety technology has improved greatly. and so we think again there are thousands of these wellses running today without a problem. so that's the type of thing we can do off of virginia. melissa: what companies have contacted you about going out there and drilling? is bp among them? >> we have had a number of companies indicate interest but unfortunately i'm not at liberty to say who. melissa: okay. so how do you, tell me, from a practical point of view, real quick, before we go, how do you keep that explosion from happening in your neck of the woods? >> well, again, the industry itself has developed a whole new company that i
you know, and what it did to the surrounding environment. there it is right there. they point to this and say, this is why you can't go drill offshore. what do you say to that? >> well, it's, of course the bp, deepwater horizon accident was a horrible tragedy in human and environmental terms but huge gains have been put in place since the disaster both at the federal level with regulators as well as with the industry. so really the technology, safety technology has improved greatly. and...
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the press and stop talking, start negotiating, while the market to just digest and trade under normal environment. we may not see a lot of volatility, that is not such a horrible thing in the market not selling off 20 handles anytime anybody opens their mouth. what we don't need is more talk. just the way it is. liz: mark sebastian did not even drink red bull today, the traders are so anxious and tired of seeing their ability to trade on real fundamentals, isn't that correct? the news they have made the market look so much higher. >> there's a lot of positive news. housing market, it was not that bad. i think fundamentally if we get a deal done i agree, we are going right to 1500. i was actually surprised the big fiscal cliff caught us by surprise so bad. liz: we want to bring in the very people talking about that, sunamerica funds vp and mariner wealth advisor cio. you do have a feeling of cautiousness about you, did you believe the s&p could very well hit. 1530? >> yes. he has his bullhorns on today. what happened to our romney bump? you said it was debatable to president obama coming out today
the press and stop talking, start negotiating, while the market to just digest and trade under normal environment. we may not see a lot of volatility, that is not such a horrible thing in the market not selling off 20 handles anytime anybody opens their mouth. what we don't need is more talk. just the way it is. liz: mark sebastian did not even drink red bull today, the traders are so anxious and tired of seeing their ability to trade on real fundamentals, isn't that correct? the news they have...
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they need to know what the regulatory environment is going to be. theyeed to hhve an element of confidence before they're going to go out and start hiring again. right now, the large firms ctor is under down, te small firm tor is down 15 at 20 feet tall waiting for some safe to come outagain. so it is really incumbent upo washington to find the regulatory tax and fiscal landscape in apositiveway. lou: of want to go through some of your outlook. you are saying that if we go over the cliff, tax hikes and spending cuts will translate into sequestration and the lapse the bush tax cuts. the tax hikes would translate into a reduction in economic growth of 4%. that's autoatic recession. absolutely. so theiscacliff is a contraction in thegovernment imlse and the economy of 4-5% of gdp. i would say in the first order that will hit and reduce economic growth from 2 percent down to-1,-2 very easily. lou: and your outlook on employment, unemployment dropping -- dropping, in my dreams, rising from just under 8% to 9 and a half percent. real unemployment right no
they need to know what the regulatory environment is going to be. theyeed to hhve an element of confidence before they're going to go out and start hiring again. right now, the large firms ctor is under down, te small firm tor is down 15 at 20 feet tall waiting for some safe to come outagain. so it is really incumbent upo washington to find the regulatory tax and fiscal landscape in apositiveway. lou: of want to go through some of your outlook. you are saying that if we go over the cliff, tax...
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president of d tv bank joining us in a fox business exclusive to talk about how to navigate the volatile environment including america's fiscal cliff and how do you say fiscal cliff in russian? looking for a better place to put your cash? here's one you may not have thought of -- fidelity. now you don't have to go to a bank to get the things you want from a bank, like no-fee atms, all over the world. free checkwriting and mobile deposits. now depositing a check is as easy as taking a picture. free online bill payments. a highly acclaimed credit card with 2% cash back into your fidelity account. open a fidelity cash management account today and discover another reason serious investors are choosing fidely. liz: the power mover of the hours diamond foods, the fast-food company going stale hitting a six year low. your the one week chart so you can see what happened here and it is not a pretty picture. big drop off right here. news is that it's a six year low it is restating its financial results for fiscal year 2010 and 2011. not just 2011 where the real problems began. that is a real problem because a
president of d tv bank joining us in a fox business exclusive to talk about how to navigate the volatile environment including america's fiscal cliff and how do you say fiscal cliff in russian? looking for a better place to put your cash? here's one you may not have thought of -- fidelity. now you don't have to go to a bank to get the things you want from a bank, like no-fee atms, all over the world. free checkwriting and mobile deposits. now depositing a check is as easy as taking a picture....
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intel has had a challenging environment that only for intel, but for the tech world. melissa: thank you so much. lori: so long microsoft, hello apple. a survey of pc users on how they feel about microsoft versus apple products. overall, 60% plan to buy a new computer. of those, 42% plan to buy an apple product instead of a pc. only 9% of people said windows 8 is motivating them to get a new computer. microsoft's latest operating system. a survey conducted a day before windows 8 was released and since the launch microsoft has not released sales numbers on windows 8. those are devastating findings for microsoft. melissa: we switched over to a mack household. lori: on behind the scenes of the fiscal cliff talks. the latest time under my deal will get done and who is running the show. charlie gasparino joins us next. melissa: step back off the ledge, twinkies are expected to survive. the hostess brand in court today. the latest on that just ahead. >> 21 minutes past the hour, and lorne greene with your fox news minute. the bloodshed rages on along the israeli border as at
intel has had a challenging environment that only for intel, but for the tech world. melissa: thank you so much. lori: so long microsoft, hello apple. a survey of pc users on how they feel about microsoft versus apple products. overall, 60% plan to buy a new computer. of those, 42% plan to buy an apple product instead of a pc. only 9% of people said windows 8 is motivating them to get a new computer. microsoft's latest operating system. a survey conducted a day before windows 8 was released and...
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10, two only-in-california stories for you, both involve big money and both involves what else, the environment. could california be the test case for a national carbon tax? ♪ [ engine revs ] ♪ [ male announcer ] oh what fun it is to ride. get the mercedes-benz on your wish list at the winter event going onow -- but hurry, the offer ends soon. now we need a little bit more... [ male announcer ] at humana, we understand the value of quality time and personal attention. which is why we are proud to partner with health care professionals who understand the difference that quality time with our members can make... that's a very niccake! ohh! [ giggles ] [ male announcer ] humana thanks the physicians, nurses, hospitals, pharmacists and other health professionals who helped us achieve the highest average star rating among national medicare companies... and become the first and only national medicare advantage company to achieve a 5-star rating for a medicare plan... your efforts result in the quality of care and service we're able to provide... which means better health outcomes... and more qual
10, two only-in-california stories for you, both involve big money and both involves what else, the environment. could california be the test case for a national carbon tax? ♪ [ engine revs ] ♪ [ male announcer ] oh what fun it is to ride. get the mercedes-benz on your wish list at the winter event going onow -- but hurry, the offer ends soon. now we need a little bit more... [ male announcer ] at humana, we understand the value of quality time and personal attention. which is why we are...
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so in that environment, what can the fed do to try to offset that to make sure that it doesn't take us to the edge of or over the edge of a recession. >> so we'll see what kind of deal comes out, and i think there's a range of possibilities, but you're correct that even if the extreme scenarios are avoided that some plausible scenario's still involved relatively contractionary fiscal overall. no matter what happens next year, that the tightening of federal fiscal policy will outweigh the stronger, more expansion state and local fiscal policy we're getting. all of that is right. it's up to congress and the president, of course, to figure out how they want to make the tradeoffs between getting budgetary improvement n the long run and providing additional support for the economy in the short run. we're going to see how that goesment i think, -- goes. i think, again, my advice on this is sort of do no harm, and in that respect, what i'm particularly concerned about is that we avoid the full force of the cliff which would be substantial as you point out. if there is some federal tightening.
so in that environment, what can the fed do to try to offset that to make sure that it doesn't take us to the edge of or over the edge of a recession. >> so we'll see what kind of deal comes out, and i think there's a range of possibilities, but you're correct that even if the extreme scenarios are avoided that some plausible scenario's still involved relatively contractionary fiscal overall. no matter what happens next year, that the tightening of federal fiscal policy will outweigh the...